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Delegation scripts and correspondence

What happened to Moodyville?


Comment from Voices: We drove along East 3rd last week from Lonsdale to try to get a sense of what is happening in Moodyville.  This has been touted as a Master Planned Community – pre-zoned to support a compact, accessible, resilient, adaptable, healthy, diverse, age-friendly community.  We’d seen lots of real estate ads, stating ‘starting from $1.3Million’!  A resident stepped up to speak at public input at the City Council meeting last night.  Her script and video link follow.  Quoting “If you haven’t seen what is happening there… should”.

Cathy Lewis (resident):

I attended the Developer Info session for the first phases of an over 8 acre site in Moodyville, being built by one developer.

If you haven’t seen what is happening there… should.

Because this area is “pre”zoned these developments will not be coming to council.  

This phase on E 2nd proposes 108- 3 bedroom stacked townhomes and duplexes with 194 parking stalls.

The building design is like most other developments all along East 3rd St.  Nothing very innovative.

They advertise this as a “planned” community, but there really is no “community” being planned here.

Amenities are: the “living lane” which is just a curvey, landscaped driveway, where all vehicles need to travel to access the underground parking, as well as some outdoor benches and green pathways throughout the complex.

It may be true that a community is made by the people who live there not the buildings, however this design does not encourage that.

There is no public space for meetings or social functions.

Presumably these units will appeal to families with children. However the design does not address children at all. Where will they play, where is the daycare, school or recreation?

More vehicle trips per day to plug up the roads. The closest shopping is a car trip away if you are buying for a family.

At around $1000 a square foot these will probably only be affordable to well off, double income families. Where’s the diversity? Where are the renters?

If this is an indication of what we can expect for the rest of the 8 ½ acre site. It’s a terrible shame.

A lot of people will be living here, there’s no planning for the ripple out effects this mega project will have to the adjacent neighbourhoods or the whole city.

This is irresponsible development.

What happened to Moodyville?……… It’s now in the hands of the developers and who cares.

We’ve failed her again……. North shore’s historic community deserves better.

Watch video here:  (2 minutes)




Vote Manipulation at our local Council?

At the City of North Van Council Meeting on November 20th, the decisions on three items were deferred until “all Council members were present”.

  1. Street and traffic bylaw amendment (crosswalk use by cyclists and street occupancy permits).
  2. Harbourside zoning bylaw (public hearing).
  3. 150 E 8th rezoning bylaw.

Regarding Harbourside, the acting Mayor stated at the end of the hearing that ‘the bylaw will be considered on December 4th when a full Council is expected to be present’.

150 E. 8th is a rezoning application to be referred for a public hearing, but Councillor Keating immediately made a deferral motion.

Outcome of the meeting?  More than 20 items briefly considered and meeting concluded in about an hour.  

None of the items was considered at last night’s meeting due to the absence of Councillor Buchanan.  Absent on the November 20th meeting were the Mayor and Councillors Bell and Buchanan.  

Question:  If a meeting is held and it would seem that the vote would likely fail, is it proper to wait two weeks for the items to be discussed?  Or is this manipulation of the vote?   To be discussed Dec 4th unless one of the Mayor’s team is absent?

The Limits of Free Speech

The following article news4  was published in the Nov 15th issue of The Global Canadian, a new North Shore community newspaper, available at various locations (contact us for a list).

The Limits of Free Speech: When a citizen spoke to Mayor Mussatto:


November 15, 2017
It’s a seemingly routine task that most
mayors and councillors are familiar with.
A speaker comes before the council, is
formally welcomed and allowed to speak
while politicians listen patiently. It doesn’t
matter if the speech is boring or irrelevant
or repetitive and it may not even matter if
the politicians are really listening or merely
pretending to do so. The idea matters, the
idea that you are being listened to by those
who have the power to shape your city. The
whole scene is an affirmation of democracy
and this political contract between the people
and politicians plays out in the villages,
towns and cities across the country.
It does play out in the City of North Vancouver
as well but a recent council meeting
could make anyone wonder if the spirit of
democracy is being squeezed out of even
this basic symbolic act of a citizen speaking
and the councillors listening. At a recent
council meeting, Mayor Darrell Mussatto
welcomed a citizen to the podium but
hastened to pull out the rule book on the
what, why and when of speaking before
the council.
“You spoke about development on the
second and the 16th (in October). Are you
speaking about development again? Are
you speaking about developers and development
again? You are allowed to speak
only once every three months on the same
issue. Well, you can’t speak about development.
You can speak about other things but
you are allowed only one topic every three
months. I know you come every week, but
you can’t say the same thing every week,”
he said, warning a speaker before him.
“I will speak and see how it goes,” the
man said.
“Yes, give it a shot,” the mayor said
laughing, and then reminding him again
about the rule.
“We have a rule. You have to speak
about something different. You can’t just
come back with the same thing,” he said
“It’s not the same,” the man insisted.
“It’s the same. It’s about developers
and my name will come up in the next 30
seconds and how bad I am. You can’t just
do it every week. You can do it once every
three months. Just in the future, you can
talk about one general issue every three
months, so you get the full two minutes
when it comes to development, but if you
wish to talk about something separate…
find a topic you haven’t talked about in the
last three months and then we would love
to hear from you,” Mussatto said.
Fred Dawkins of North Vancouver City
Voices says this kind of limitation only
serves to discourage public engagement.
“It’s clear that the mayor and his voting
bloc on council too often view citizen input
as an inconvenience, not a welcome sign of
an engaged public. It’s hard enough to get
people to engage in municipal affairs without
putting a lot of arbitrary restrictions on
their right to speak. If civic officials can’t
take being criticized in public for their decisions,
they shouldn’t be in politics,” he says.
The changes to the public input were
introduced after a heated debate in 2015
when a staff report suggested to council
the public input be done away with altogether
because the input was often accusatory,
repetitive and not relevant to the
topic being discussed. After hue and cry,
the council decided to keep the public input
period, but not without restricting it with
limits on the number of times one topic can
be discussed in three months. Other changes
also included limiting the numbers of
speaker to five unless there is a unanimous
vote to allow more speakers.
In fact, when he reminded the speaker
about the only-once-in-a-three-month rule,
the mayor seemed to be keeping a promise
of being strong in implementing the rules.
“You have to be respectful and play by the
rules and I will be firm,” he said back in
2015. “No member of council or public
can question the motives of the council.
They can’t question the motives. They can’t
express a negative opinion of the personality
or the character of the council member
and nor can they speak disrespectfully. I
will rule with a tougher hand,” he said.
Former councillor Bob Heywood says
the policy is on the slippery slope of public’s
right to freedom of speech, access to elected
officials, and bona-fide public input for
council to make its decisions.
“If this policy is being used to weed out
individuals that are against certain applications
or future decisions, then the policy
cannot withstand the test of “fair and
reasonable”. We don’t really know if all
persons and lobbying agencies are being
held to the same policy test. Perhaps it is
time for someone to challenge this policy,
maybe a review by the BC Ombudsman?”
Heywood says.
Former council candidate Amanda
Nichol says she feels the elected officials
used their position and power to change
policy to muzzle criticism.
“I feel like it might have been done to
censure particular individuals that a majority
of the council did not like, did not want to
hear from, and did not want those watching
council to hear from. It might lead one to
question, why? What, in two minutes, are
those individuals saying? How is it that the
questions, comments cannot just simply
be addressed and/or followed up on at a
future meeting?”
Former mayoral candidate Kerry Morris
says it’s wrong to limit speaker input
at council meeting to just five individuals,
and it’s wrong to limit the topics on which
anyone can speak, over and over again, if
that is what they choose to do.
Council watcher Cathy Lewis says there
have been several times that the speakers
have been interrupted and told they were
not allowed to speak on the same issue that
they brought up in the last three months.
“At most meetings, there are no more than
three speakers and many times no one
signs up to speak. Whether I think it is
fair? I think it is a change to the bylaw that
has muzzled the public from being heard,”
Lewis says.

It’s clear that the mayor and
his voting bloc on council
too often view citizen input
as an inconvenience, not a
welcome sign of an engaged
public. It’s hard enough to get
people to engage in municipal
affairs without putting a lot of
arbitrary restrictions on their
right to speak. ”
North Vancouver City Voices

What Goes Up …

Comment from Voices:  We heartily agree with this sentence in the following article from The North Shore News today:  “What Goes Up …”,  ‘We also need our municipal governments to keep a closer eye on developers who walk in the front door preaching affordability and walk out the back door hawking luxury living.’  

We have calculated that over 7,000 new units have been added to the City of North Van since 2011 – and if you are searching for a new condo, or a rental – you will likely not find one to purchase under $500,000 and a rental under $1800.  That would be for 500 sq.ft.


Sasquatch, the Loch Ness Monster and the relationship between housing supply and affordability. It’s an unlikely trio that belongs to the realm of the mythical – at least, that’s the contention of a Kwantlen Polytechnic University professor who crunched 15 years of housing numbers and concluded Metro Vancouver has produced more than enough supply to meet demand. For every 100 new households, Metro Vancouver has built 119 new housing units, John Rose contends.

There will doubtless be sufferers of tower fatigue who will use the study as grounds for opposing every construction project. And it’s true supply has utterly failed to exert any gravity on the North Shore’s astronomical housing market. Over the past decade, benchmark home prices in North Vancouver and West Vancouver have risen 98 and 106 per cent.But even if Rose’s conclusions are correct and we do have enough physical houses, that still doesn’t mean we have an adequate housing supply. That’s largely because we’re burdened with a more than adequate supply of Airbnbs, empty homes, and speculators.

While the foreign buyers tax has helped, we still need senior levels of government to make a simple declaration: if you’re not going to live here then your money’s no good here. We also need our municipal governments to keep a closer eye on developers who walk in the front door preaching affordability and walk out the back door hawking luxury living.

Rose is slated to release his report this Friday. We hope all levels of government will examine it closely because for far too many trades workers, nurses, and teachers, the real myth is an affordable place to live on the North Shore.


Can We Rebuild Affordability?

Comment from Voices:  Article in The Tyee today, we would urge the City of North Vancouver Council and Planning Department to take note of number 4 in the following article:

With the current rush in the City to build market rental housing:

4) Design for liveability, not profitability

This one’s not so much a policy as a rant: this city does not need any more luxury shoeboxes.

My last apartment search in Vancouver revealed an epidemic of new condo units clearly designed to appeal to investors, not to people looking for a home. We encountered countless “junior one-bedrooms” and “microsuites” commanding nearly $2,000 a month for less than 500 square feet, many with “extras” such as a “flex space” (read: a windowless sliver in the back of a closet) or high-end finishes like solid granite countertops and state-of-the-art appliances. While those features add to the resale value of a suite, they are absurd add-ons in a space so small you’d have to make an executive decision between having a couch or a kitchen table. A top-of-the-line kitchen is useless when you literally don’t have enough space to sit down for dinner.

The majority of new or renovated condos are painfully impractical for couples, much less families, and utterly unaffordable for singles. The really frustrating part is it wouldn’t take much to fix that. The difference between 500 and 700-square-feet when it comes to liveability is huge. Many people would happily take Ikea countertops and basic, functional appliances if it meant they’d also have room to breathe.

Perhaps the city needs some sort of liveability standard for new developments that would determine a minimum square footage (and a maximum price) that is realistic for an average family, couple or single person to occupy long term. Developers could then be tasked to stay between the lines — think of it as a fun design challenge. Or they could simply ask themselves: would I want to live in that?

Environmental Protection Notice

Comment from Voices:  We have been received the following notification from a CNV resident concerning a Seaspan (Vancouver Drydock) request to discharge air contaminants from their location at 203 East Esplanade:

‘We have become aware that Seaspan (Vancouver Drydock) has applied for a permit from Metro Vancouver to discharge air contaminants.  They have never had a permit and are applying to double the number of volatile organic compounds, particulate matter and trace metals compared to their own 2016 report.  Seaspan self-reports and self-monitors. They have an air quality monitor on their property but Metro Vancouver does not have access to it.

Please send your input in as noted in the following and attached permit by DEC 6th

We also received the following comment from a resident in the area: 

‘In general, I think the shipyards have reached their capacity for airborne contaminants and are trying to apply to spew more into the air here in North Vancouver. 
With all the development of people living in the shipyards, I do not think that is fair or safe.  You can smell VERY strong chemical smells at times already.
North Vancouver also has deemed this area an Entertainment District, to sell to whomever to use(loud electronic music parties was one).
When you purchase here, none of the developers disclose this’ .

TAKE NOTICE THAT Vancouver Drydock Company Limited Partnership of 1800 – 510
West Georgia Street, Vancouver, BC V6B 0M3 applies to the Metro Vancouver Regional
District (“Metro Vancouver”) pursuant to the Greater Vancouver Regional District Air Quality
Management Bylaw 1082, 2008 for a Permit.
1. Vancouver Drydock Company Limited Partnership has applied for a new permit to
discharge air contaminants from a dry dock facility located at Pier 94 – 203 Esplanade E.,
North Vancouver, BC V7L 1A1.

The purpose of this application is to request authorization to discharge air contaminants
from a dry dock with the primary business of vessel conversion, repair, maintenance and dry docking services.

Emission sources include: Two floating dry docks with surface preparation and painting
operations; one hut for surface preparation of small items; and one shed to crush used
paint cans for recycling.  link to full notice follows:


Letter to the Editor – Monday night TV

Comment from Voices:

We have received a copy of the following Letter to the Editor, North Shore News (now published).  This complements the column by Paul Sullivan in today’s edition and posted on this site.

To:  Editor, North Shore News

    Are you finding Monday night TV dull?  Might I suggest tuning in to NV City council meetings at 6:00 via the city website*.    It’s akin to watching CNN but these politics are happening right here in our little city and are affecting our quality of life – every one of us, present and future.

    It doesn’t take long to realize that  members of our elected council don’t  get along well; it soon becomes  obvious that there is a concerted effort to prevent the public’s voice from being heard;  you’ll get frustrated with the high-falutin’ language used to discuss issues; you may get angry with the constant 4-3 votes in favour of serious changes within our home territory, in spite of large public opposition  and you may want to “Boo” loud and clear when the mayor congratulates himself on speeding through another meeting.

    City council watching is certainly not dull!   You’re either with the powers-that-be or against them but either way next October it’s OUR TURN to take control and have OUR WAY with  them —- Election 2018!

    So for good entertainment, on the spot education –  Watch your city council in action on Monday Nights, form an opinion and , for Heaven’s Sake, Vote next October !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Joan Peters

*update:  the link to the Council meeting is usually on the front page of the city website: It can also be accessed on the Council meeting page here: