City of North Vancouver 2041?

NVC117007 .

Upcoming:  Council Meeting Apr 20th Policy Committee Meeting re Gaming Facilities in the City

(further detail in the posting titled Shiny Sexy Legacy Project)

Updated Apr 12:  Council Meeting Apr 13th summary:

-Delegation re off-lease dog park in Lower Lonsdale, (petition with hundreds of signatures in favour)

-Finance Committee meeting with tax increase options

-Temporary Use Permit for 925 Harbourside (Concert Properties) to establish a specialty food indicator “Hawkers Market” for a term of 3 years using shipping containers. Four sites are zoned for mixed use and will be constructed in 4 phases over the next 10-15 years. This will be interim use to create activity in the area while prior phases are under construction – 925 will be scheduled in phase 3.

-$75,000 to establish temporary trail (property bought by City at 619 E 1st for over $1M), building to be demolished

-Endorsement of planning division work priorities – East 3rd/Moodyville development controls and Density Bonus Policy Finalization

-Endorsement of Shipyards Lot 5 Vision – site planning, next steps. Foreshore water feature and Observation Wheel have been eliminated from plan – remainder of plan follows Roger Brooks proposal

Full agenda here:

Updated Mar 29:   Council Meeting March 30th 6.30pm- Financial Plan Update Public Meeting

The tax rate will be approved – options are 3.9%, 6.4% or 7.9%. Members of Council have prioritized the 10 year project plan. We note that our Mayor has rated the Harry Jerome Redevelopment Study and Building Renewal as a ‘C’ priority.  The explanation for ‘C’ is ‘postpone project’. Other members of his team have rated it as a ‘B’ and the independent Council members – Councillors Bell, Bookham and Clark rated it as an ‘A’ which bumps it up overall to a ‘B’ priority (should stay on the list and be completed within 10 years).  


The 2015-2024 project plan projects total $206 million, of which $23 million is for new initiatives.  Most of these seem to be to do with the waterfront and new ‘waterfront cultural initiatives’.  The new Museum is now ranked as a ‘C’ priority, together with anything to do with Heritage (the PGE Station for instance).
There has been no further public input to the “Brooks” waterfront plan, and no mention that there will be any opportunity.   The plan was before Council last on July 14th 2014, and at that time a report was to come back on cost estimates and design.   There’s no mention on the City website that this has occurred.
Worth noting is a statement “taxes from new growth generate an estimated $850,000″ which doesn’t seem nearly enough given the requests for more staff and increased spending.
from previous posting:   Should the average citizen ask why the increased development is not paying for the additional infrastructure needed?  What can the City do to increase revenue?   Why is there a line for employee loans?  Do employees pay for parking? Where is that revenue?  Urgent need to tighten the belt and eliminate unnecessary spending.

Updated Feb 23:  Want to know who gave what expecting what for it?

Time will tell – what we know now: 161 E Keith applicants; gaming establishment supporter, more to come.

Campaign disclosures


Updated Dec 4: NS News coverage “Mussatto sets priorities”:

3rd quarter (Jul-Sep 2014) Council expenses now posted:

Update April 12:  4th quarter 2014 and total year expected to be available in April

Coun. Bell                                                     $1058.52           year to date:      $5294.46

Coun. Bookham                                               $55.00                                          $220.27

Coun. Buchanan                                          $2829.38                                       $8320.76

Coun. Clark                                                                                                            $5420.48

Coun. Keating                                               $1259.11                                         $2921.94

Mayor Mussatto                                          $3097.97                                       $10532.31




Updated Dec 2:  Mayor’s Inaugural Address:

Little evidence in the address of heeding the words in the News editorial.  No evidence of any humility or working together “in the spirit of diplomacy and cooperation”.  No mention of the Museum on the waterfront.   Evidence of a change in the process of committee appointments by singling out Clr. Buchanan to lead a committee.  First priority seems to be to bring the Brooks vision for the waterfront to reality.  Disappointing.

Now a likely probability?  pro-development slate majority with voter turnout less than 30%.
Comment from Voices:  We echo the sentiment expressed in this Editorial “we hope Council will work together in a spirit of diplomacy and cooperation”.  The Mussatto team of Keating, Buchanan, Back, McGrenera, Clark and Makris generated a total of 21,842 votes – about 42% of the total.  The ‘Independents’ totalled 29,793 Councilor votes, which related to 57% of the total.  The Mayoral race results were 52% for Mayor Mussatto and 44% for Kerry Morris.  We define ‘Independents’ as those Councillor candidates who do not accept donations from developers or unions.

The next four years will be interesting, with major projects to come before Council.  In part:  the OCP, the waterfront, Harry Jerome, Lot 5, Site 8, the Museum, the Polygon Gallery, Harbourside and needed infrastructure and transit improvements. We trust that the new pro-development majority on Council will break with past tradition and not vote in lock-step for the next four years.  We would also remind those Councillors that, even with the ‘dirty tricks’, they do not have a majority of voters behind them.


Editorial from the North Shore News November 30, 2014: 

Democracy on the North Shore was comparatively well served in 2014. Voter turnout stretched above 2011 levels but we need to do better.

Despite pending Park Royal towers in West Vancouver and North Van’s waterfront fight, more than 70 per cent of people avoided polls like the plague on Election Day. There has to be a way to engage voters that doesn’t involve snaking Highway 1 past their front door.

Just as we urge residents to watch council meetings, appraise developments and help author the OCP , we ask politicians to be available, honest, and sometimes downright blunt.

District of North Vancouver Coun. Roger Bassam took some criticism during the Panorama Drive parking dustup when he said it’s not the role of government to solve every “minor crisis.”

We’re not saying he’s right or wrong, but we applaud all elected officials who say what they mean and mean what they say – an increasingly rare commodity in politics.

That said, forthrightness isn’t the only virtue we seek in our civic leaders.

The City of North Vancouver’s municipal election was as contentious as it was competitive. But now that the election signs are gone and the last of the mud has been slung, we hope council will work together in a spirit of diplomacy and co-operation. It’s true the winner of any election enjoys a mandate, but that mandate shouldn’t preclude any councillor from considering good ideas – whether they’re from a voter or a resident still waiting for a reason to vote.

© North Shore News – See more at:

Latest news:    

We were recently asked by a City resident the following (referring to the draft OCP) and concerns about height, density, the current amount of condo product on the market not selling, decreasing home values based on the volume available.
How is your group going to deal with this issue?  Can you have any influence on the decision?  What do you need in order for it to be voted down?
This was our reply:
On how our group will deal with these issues – we’ll do what we have on previous similar proposals – show up at all the open houses and public hearings and provide detailed rebuttals. We’ll support the things that we think are good for the community and oppose the things that are not. If we feel height or floor space bonuses are being given to developers too cheaply, we’ll point that out and demand a better deal for the city. We’ll remind council about the overriding issues we have addressed consistently till now – traffic, community services falling behind, overpopulation, the glut of high-rise condos, etc.
On influencing the decision – we have had some success here and there, getting the city to slow down some of the development growth.   We support candidates not funded by developers and unions.


27 Responses to “NEWS”

  1. Bill Bell November 14, 2014 at 5:31 am #

    In terms of Big Development money’s influence over the outcome of this municipal election. I believe the voters of North Vancouver City will see that inexpensive campaigning filled with integrity and honesty still beats the glitzy and glossy advertisements funded by developers’ dollars. Big developers, whose only purpose in funding those candidates is the specific purpose of influencing council’s decisions so as they may continue to make extraordinary profits brought about the loss of livability in our community. Bill Bell

    • Kari November 14, 2014 at 9:28 am #

      Oh really Bill. Everyone complains about the traffic, well Bill that’s only really around 3-6pm. The so called “big development” has been going on for years. 15 million of that did not raise property taxes of the invested home and apartment owners in CNV. Everyone needs to get off this high horse of density, density, density and start focusing on a wider bridge look what is has done to the surrounding cities.

      • Stache November 18, 2014 at 9:41 am #

        Oh really…I guess you have never driven during morning rush hour traffic or being held up by road construction during business hours. Are you being paid by Density Darrell or by the Dakota’s – sure sounds like it!

      • Kari November 30, 2014 at 10:18 pm #


        No I don’t travel morning rush hour that is by choice as of Oct 31. I chose to be self employed on the NS. We need Federal/Provincial funding for the Bridges.
        Our only hope is the have Hwy widen, but no the sidewalks are priority where was everyone’s voices when that was all being planned? I guess in front of our computers, ipads and cell phone reading about it. Well hopefully the new off ramps will help a wee bit on Mt Hwy exit.

  2. Ed October 30, 2014 at 8:09 pm #

    The present mayor of North Van must be getting nervous. Desperate people sling mud when they get worried. You and your friends are TOTALLY to blame for our major traffic
    problems due to your green light for developers. That’s why you are going to fail in your
    election attempt. New leadership is overdue!

    • Kari November 2, 2014 at 2:46 pm #

      Ed You tell me how are Mayor and friends are going to fix our traffic in North Van City when the problem lays at the bridges?. Its in the district of North Van and West Van talk to them. Our council has it’s not enough voices.

      • Stache November 18, 2014 at 10:08 am #

        Why is there so much bottleneck traffic congestion at our bridges? It is quite simple really, our north shore mayors and their campaign funded developers for the last 12 years have put high rise density “ahead of having in place sufficient infrastructure that includes the widening our two Burrard inlet bridges FIRST.”
        This is a good example of putting the chicken before the egg. Developers, architects and our north shore mayors want their chickens before they are hatched!

  3. DT October 27, 2014 at 7:32 am #


    I take it you oppose the developers making $15 million a tower (and they dont even have to build any pesky infrastructure)? You probably oppose the city and district managements that enable the developers. Me too.

    You see, 10,000 signatures on a petition opposing towers in Lynn Valley cant stop this.

    -Unions (teachers, fire personnel, paramedic etc) rely on growth to fund their stretched pension funds, they vote in pro-growth city and district management
    -around 40% of the BC economy works in development now, so there is a large contingent reliant upon development to feed and house their families
    -the city and district vote in favor of growth initiatives handed down by metro vancouver and GVRD. No questions asked.
    -Ottawa forces immiigrants upon GVRD and metro vancouver without proper compensation for ESL and other integration
    -metro vancouver, district of north vancouver, are members of ICLEI which removes much planning to an NGO, an Agenda-21 (population reduction) NGC funded by David Rockefeller, which is a breach of trust

    If there was online voting, open houses, referendums, this wouldn’t happen quite so easily. Bring up online participation in politics and note the opposition.


    • northvancityvoices October 30, 2014 at 6:03 pm #

      Note from Voices: the Amanda referred to here is not candidate Amanda Nichol

  4. Amanda October 10, 2014 at 6:27 pm #

    On the recent development on the north shore; it has to STOP. The current roads and transit are not even remotely close to handle the traffic as it currently sits. Even cutting the traffic in half isn’t enough. I’ve seen the current plans to develop, and there are supposed to be many towers going up close to the Lions Gate Bridge around where Earls is. How in the hell is that going to work with traffic? Do these people not think.

    I would only be on board with the development under certain conditions:

    1) The developers (and those who voted for development) now fully pay every single person’s gas bill for life whom live on the North Shore
    2) Pay every citizen on the North Shore $2000 a month as compensation for sitting in traffic for hours on end.

    Let them pay for all that, then I’ll be on board.

    As far as amalgamation goes, the only area pushing it is the District of North Vancouver. West Vancouver and the City of North Vancouver wan’t no part of it. West Vancouver citizens don’t want to give up control of their services like police and fire; nor do they want their taxes increased. The city of North Vancouver do not want any part of it as they don’t want their taxes increased, plus, the city runs like a well oiled machine.

    That leaves the District of North Vancouver, they are the only ones who keep pushing it… now ask yourself, why is that? Laymans terms, they will pay considerably less while the city of north vancouver and west vancouver offset their costs.

    Amalgamation will not happen on the north shore, ever. Shared services maybe, but amalgamation will never happen. City of North Vancouver and District of West Vancouver citizens will never ever vote in favor of it.

    • northvancityvoices October 12, 2014 at 1:51 pm #

      Note to readers: Contrary to a recent blog post by Mayoralty candidate George Pringle, the ‘Amanda’ who made this comment is not the same person as Council candidate Amanda Nichol.

    • Stache December 1, 2014 at 11:13 am #

      Agree…and as Mussatto’s developer/union bought team is inaugurated today – we can only expect a continued uncontrollable appetite for density growth while continuing to put the blame on the backs of transit for not being able to keep up with their high speed density projects on roads and bridges that cannot be widened or improved. Infrastructure is not an option for developers or Mussatto’s same old, same old plus one new onside team member.

  5. Ed October 8, 2014 at 11:14 pm #

    The developer OCP has failed and it is going TO STAY THAT WAY. The present municipal leaders have to be replaced. The rhetoric is already starting. Developers are probably very unhappy about now and are going to do every thing in their power to get their way as they normally do.
    God help us when all of the condos being built now are finally occupied, the extra vehicles on the North Shore are going to cause an absolute nightmare on our two bridges. We have our present mayors and their counselors to blame for all this development.
    Get out and vote folks, we have to make a change and put people in office that work for US!!

    • Kari October 27, 2014 at 9:43 pm #

      Yes sure if you want another Rob Ford Drama scene here. I say no thanks to that. Remember out of 7 people the 4 votes win. Vancouver also has a say to having 2 bridges. I rather have 2 bridges than have the traffic Vancouver and Burnaby has. It’s unfortunate that we on the north shore endure traffic from the ferries and up to Whistler. There is a price to pay you want quite go live in Hope.

  6. Ed October 1, 2014 at 9:06 pm #

    Well, we guess we can write off two people running for council. It is very easy to find out the source of funding these days and even easier to expose them! Good luck to honest candidates – GO FOR IT.

  7. Ed August 19, 2014 at 6:44 pm #

    It must be getting a little closer to municipal election time.
    Aug. 19 / 2014 news flash – Phibbs Exchange Upgrade coming. The rhetoric begins!
    Sounds to us like this wonderful improvement is supposed relieve traffic on one or both of our two bridges. Too much development – too many people – TOO MANY VEHICLES!!
    Developers getting their way regardless of how the folks on the North Shore feel. This is unacceptable and has to be controlled by NEW MUNICIPLE LEADERS.
    The ONLY way to this is to vote for those who listen to the average citizens on the North Shore. Right now our present city and district leaders are allowing total out of control development and just ignoring the folks they are supposed to represent. Guess how to defeat this problem. Go to the polls folks and vote for leaders who WILL represent US!
    It’s all too obvious now that traffic is already a major problem due to development and
    our province is not about to foot the bill for another crossing in the near future. We expect
    our present leaders to come up with ideas for another crossing. Ever heard of election promises? They are going to come up with some big election surprise because they obviously want to keep their jobs. Everyone Possible has to get out and vote for change
    or the developers will continue to roll over us. Democracy includes how the majority
    feels not just how the majority votes!

  8. Ed July 23, 2014 at 11:08 pm #

    Anyone ever see a map of the BORDER between the city and district in North Van.

  9. Ed July 23, 2014 at 11:03 pm #

    Sept. – OCP out! Coming election – Present municipal Leaders out!! Nuff said.

  10. Ed July 13, 2014 at 8:21 pm #

    In an article in the North Shore News Friday July 11th/14. “City staff recommend densification along transit routes.” An extra sea bus, replacing Keith Road Bridge and extra busses along developer roads will NOT solve the upcoming traffic nightmare on our two bridges!!! Who are these brilliant staff member/s. There is no question that North Vancouver needs new municipal leaders. Steady green lights are just not an option
    for developers on this side of the inlet ANY MORE. The folks in North Van need new
    municipal leadership with common sense. The present population explosion is already causing problems. Developers only care about their bottom line – $$$. Beware the rhetoric
    and psychology upcoming about how to cure our traffic problems.

  11. Ed June 15, 2014 at 8:51 pm #

    How can a third Sea Bus carry all of the extra vehicles trying to get across the inlet. Too much development causes too many vehicles for our two crossings. One of our genius municipal leaders thinks that another people carrying ferry is going to solve the problem
    or so it seems. Wait and watch for more rhetoric soon to come in the North Shore News!

    I also wonder who it was that thought it was their God given right to give the GREEN LIGHT
    to the high rise in Lynn Valley. It sure as H— wasn’t the people in Lynn Valley or even in the district. I hope the present municipal leaders kept there day jobs.
    Looking forward to election day!

  12. Ed April 24, 2014 at 10:41 pm #

    NEW CANDIDATES for Mayor and council of the City and district of North Vancouver, GET OUT THERE AND RUN FOR OFFICE. You can be elected as long as you vow to control development. Use your computer and the media. The present leaders are already responsible for too much traffic over our two bridges. Commuting is a real issue and no amount of rhetoric is going to solve the problem.
    Development = overpopulation = vehicles = gridlock!!!

  13. Bill Bell April 23, 2014 at 2:36 pm #

    You really have to wonder how the North Shore News can even complain about voter turnout when they come up with policies that takes away from creating excitement around an election…this is how they will cover the three elections on the North Shore

    “Hi Bill, thanks for your note. I believe you were a councillor when I started at the News and first covered council (1992). Welcome back home.

    Our plan is to give each mayoral candidate a news brief (150-200 words) and a head shot when they throw their hat into the ring. Council candidates will have their opportunity to present their platforms when we run the grids closer to election time. With the three councils, there’s simply not space for a separate profile of each candidate.

    grid example here

    We hope to run a series of feature stories of hot-button election issues (amalgamation, densification etc); candidates may be interviewed as sources for these stories.



    • northvancityvoices April 23, 2014 at 10:29 pm #

      Well, coming to the defense of the News – they usually do a good job of coverage as well as hosting a mayoral debate, and editorial board q and a if memory serves. With three elections there are usually in excess of 80 candidates to cover, plus school board candidates.

      • Bill Bell April 24, 2014 at 7:02 am #

        My problem with the set policy, is that it takes away “news” factors for individual candidates. Thus there is no spontaneity to the news cycle and subsequent electoral excitement for the possibility of change. The other obvious problem with this kind of policy is that it favors the incumbents as they will continue to be in the news cycle while newcomers our relegated to the “cattle” page of candidate profiles.

  14. Ed April 19, 2014 at 5:48 pm #

    We’ve seen the HOT election news about candidates for mayor and council. Anyone who wishes to run can be nominated. Those who ARE in the race should keep in mind that controlling development is the issue. High rises in Lynn Valley is so ridiculous it’s just unbelievable. The traffic on our two bridges at rush hour is bad enough now. The only way to control over development is to elect officials who will believe in common sense.
    Residents of North Vancouver please get out and vote for common sense at election time. Our city and district are being absolutely run over by developers!

  15. Ed April 2, 2014 at 7:22 pm #

    To the candidates for Mayor and Council of North Vancouver, please state your Policy on over population caused by too many high rises. If you want to be elected, make sure you have this policy on your printed material. Rapid density on the North Shore is out of control. When developers get away with manipulating municipalities it’s time for a change. The citizens of the north shore have to get out and vote for those candidates who will strongly control the extreme rapid density taking place even as I type this note.
    This is not a reply, it’s a statement !

  16. Ed March 16, 2014 at 9:35 pm #

    It is a well known fact that certain individuals are claiming that West Vancouver does not wish to be involved with amalgamation. They never did and would also never even consider doing so. So this just means that we have con artists who are calling the citizens on the north shore fools. We need the North Van. city and district to amalgamate and without all the rhetoric being shoved down our throats.

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